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In this special bonus episode, Phil and Roy have a discussion with María Elena Barragán of Fundación Herpetólogica Gustavo Orcés and Vivarium de Quito in Ecuador. Discussion topics include María Elena’s background as a herpetologist, the complexity of keeping herpetofauna on public display, the issue of snakebite in Ecuador, and more!

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